tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post5188369467785330783..comments2024-03-17T07:55:12.096-07:00Comments on FOFOA: When Trust Runs OutFOFOAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17152544684132776239noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-91128831905665356932009-05-22T22:53:26.513-07:002009-05-22T22:53:26.513-07:00Description and then prescription, or solid histor...Description and then prescription, or solid history woven into shaky prognostication. These are common sales techniques. Seamlessly blending innocent description into pernicious prescription. The tactic of cult leaders. Jim Jones, etc... I have no time nor patience for the Venus project.FOFOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17152544684132776239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-223214052797235502009-05-22T22:36:57.961-07:002009-05-22T22:36:57.961-07:00sorry..ensure email RECEIPT of replies. i'm not t...sorry..ensure email RECEIPT of replies. i'm not that shameless :)SatyaPranavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02422604006082536504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-5351836408973095612009-05-22T22:36:28.741-07:002009-05-22T22:36:28.741-07:00bumping to ensure replies...please ignore.bumping to ensure replies...please ignore.SatyaPranavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02422604006082536504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-11999861021762439522009-05-20T15:44:49.713-07:002009-05-20T15:44:49.713-07:00well..i'm just making it into the new year, and am...well..i'm just making it into the new year, and am deeply sorry I missed this post. FOFOA, you and I are in almost COMPLETE agreeement on the venus project and zeitgeist addendum.<br /><br />From a philosophical perspective, I see Zeitgeist (inclusive of addendum) attempting two goals: description and prescription. Their charm comes from a brilliant documentary movie which does the former so SatyaPranavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02422604006082536504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-34654873688453343372009-01-04T15:56:00.000-08:002009-01-04T15:56:00.000-08:00Busy little goldbugs today huh? I just want to not...Busy little goldbugs today huh? I just want to note that FOFOA may have an incorrect reading on the main premise on The Venus project (we dont need a monetary system since we do not need to compete for services/products any longer), but that particular discussion will take us way to long. I actually typed a largish post and then lost it (forgot to copy it before posting)... My bad.<BR/><BR/>It isAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-49714293302910142192009-01-03T18:49:00.000-08:002009-01-03T18:49:00.000-08:00Guess,You raise a couple of interesting points. F...Guess,<BR/><BR/>You raise a couple of interesting points. First, I absolutely believe we have abundant resources. And in time, I believe we will efficiently tap many of the sources of energy listed in the movie and the world will be a better place because of it.<BR/><BR/>Second, on the issue of Linux, wealth and popularity, I see a similarity to the US dollar. <BR/><BR/>In the olden days, you FOFOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17152544684132776239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-19141730647098818082009-01-03T16:37:00.000-08:002009-01-03T16:37:00.000-08:00Fofoa,We actually have one good example of "abunda...Fofoa,<BR/><BR/>We actually have one good example of "abundant resource" concept in the current world. It is open source (linux) concept. Think about it. In my opinion, they are quite successful of converting people from using windows to Linux. I believe they one day - if not already - will dominate the market. Eventually they will overthrown windows.<BR/><BR/>While typing this message, I was Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-39326098942292945802009-01-03T15:26:00.000-08:002009-01-03T15:26:00.000-08:00Guess. Welcome. “However, I still see freegold as ...Guess. Welcome. “However, I still see freegold as a temporary solution as it doesn't really cure the main issue. Basic nature of human, greed, will always find a way to manipulate the "monetary" system.” One of the most interesting attributes of the Freegold concept is that it doesn’t attempt to cure human nature, but works in conjunction with it. The Freegold concept gains strength from the factEnderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11823932849020536252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-55735413088461318082009-01-03T15:09:00.000-08:002009-01-03T15:09:00.000-08:00Hi Aleksandar, (and FOFOA)* I acknowledge that the...Hi Aleksandar, (and FOFOA)<BR/><BR/>* I acknowledge that there is a technique for social engineering on a mass scale and that it is being applied today. I would also suggest that any new engineering, in another direction, would be more of the same.<BR/><BR/>* Sorry to see that you have lost faith in humanity. Hopefully, you not lost faith in yourself. <BR/><BR/>* “…as long as there is a paper Enderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11823932849020536252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-36090975958496083762009-01-03T14:41:00.000-08:002009-01-03T14:41:00.000-08:00Guess,The difference as I see it is that FreeGold ...Guess,<BR/><BR/>The difference as I see it is that FreeGold is an emergent system, not an engineered system. In fact, it represents the disintegration of all engineered systems. It is what civilization will naturally fall back on when man's folly has failed.<BR/><BR/>FreeGold is to be recognized, not created. When all paper value burns, there will be a transfer of wealth from holders of paper FOFOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17152544684132776239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-12041950072640154722009-01-03T14:05:00.000-08:002009-01-03T14:05:00.000-08:00Alex,Thanks for commenting on my post. I totally a...Alex,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for commenting on my post. I totally agree with you that Venus project is not perfect. I also personally doesn't agree with some aspects of it but I try to see the bigger picture of their idea. I amazed when they pull out the main problem with our corrupt world: monetary system. Since they already spot on the core issue, we now can focus on finding the solution. Altough Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-21424557248979460702009-01-03T10:56:00.000-08:002009-01-03T10:56:00.000-08:00Alek,If you would like to read the rest of that di...Alek,<BR/><BR/>If you would like to read the rest of that discussion by FOA for context, it is on <A HREF="http://www.usagold.com/goldtrail/archives/goldtrailfour.html" REL="nofollow">this page</A> beginning about a quarter of the way down. The first post I quoted from is called "A Tree in the Making #03".<BR/><BR/>FOFOAFOFOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17152544684132776239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-18565734493671834512009-01-03T10:07:00.000-08:002009-01-03T10:07:00.000-08:00Hi FOFOA,Indeed there is something in the words of...Hi FOFOA,<BR/><BR/>Indeed there is something in the words of FOA that resembles what I conjured. My problem is that it is a bit convoluted for me, probably because I am an engineer and I dont fully understand the economic terminology. But from what I could fathom, the discussion you posted went into some depth about decoupling the two currencies and giving them a separate realm to thrive in. <BR/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-27514535623130827992009-01-02T20:46:00.000-08:002009-01-02T20:46:00.000-08:00Aleksandar,Your thoughts and words are refreshingl...Aleksandar,<BR/><BR/>Your thoughts and words are refreshingly clear. And your ideas are intriguingly complex.<BR/><BR/>You have credited some of Ender's comments to me. I will take that as a compliment. But for the record, as was previously asked, Ender and I are not the same person.<BR/><BR/>First of all, I think you and I can dispose of the social engineering question. I will stipulate to FOFOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17152544684132776239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-7694204395683710112009-01-02T06:00:00.000-08:002009-01-02T06:00:00.000-08:00Hi FOFOA,Thanks for the comments. I am happy to en...Hi FOFOA,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the comments. I am happy to engage in this discussion with you as it claryfies my ideas as well.<BR/><BR/>I approach the issue from two sides. One is purely technical and the other has a social dimension. Lets start with the latter one.<BR/><BR/>It is necessary to understand that what I propose cant be placed in today's context of values as it will generate Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-89299917643103645362009-01-01T19:28:00.000-08:002009-01-01T19:28:00.000-08:00Thanks anony, taking the red pill ocassionally hel...Thanks anony, taking the red pill ocassionally helps one stay focused on the issue. I saw the original Zeitgeist some time ago and simply forgot (read:got back to beeing conditioned) how powerfull it is. The addendum is on the level and exceeds. It is important for everyone to see those documentaries at least once and draw their own conclusions (not get blindly influenced by it as that will Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-14990297674810643902008-12-31T00:06:00.000-08:002008-12-31T00:06:00.000-08:00Hi Fofoa,I was agreed with you about reforming the...Hi Fofoa,<BR/><BR/>I was agreed with you about reforming the currency system until I found a much better solution last night. The actual problem with our world right now is the monetary system itself. If we still use monetary system, in whatever form - either dollar or gold, there is still a gap between the rich and the poor. <BR/><BR/>The answer is in youtube with keyword: zeitgeist addendum. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-25831231299333057842008-12-30T21:10:00.000-08:002008-12-30T21:10:00.000-08:00Hi alek_a, It is an interesting stand that you tak...Hi alek_a, <BR/><BR/>It is an interesting stand that you take. You say: “I propose two currencies in parallel.” Which, at the heart of it is a grand, yet fuzzy idea. Reading between the lines, it would appear to be a dollar centric statement for many other places in the world already deal with multiple currencies. But, of course, it’s clear that you’re talking about gold as the second currency. <Enderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11823932849020536252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-22813430727725369982008-12-28T20:18:00.000-08:002008-12-28T20:18:00.000-08:00Alek,Excellent thoughts. I have had similar ones ...Alek,<BR/><BR/>Excellent thoughts. I have had similar ones myself. <BR/><BR/>By the way, on my desk sit a Mac and a PC. You do speak the truth with regard to these things.<BR/><BR/>Your post gives me some food for thought. My initial reaction is that whatever system rises from the ruins must rise from the bottom up, not from the top down. A government ordered fiat can only work if the FOFOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17152544684132776239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4490468598422095060.post-91308799023661728462008-12-28T18:55:00.000-08:002008-12-28T18:55:00.000-08:00As always, a nice find FOFOA. I am however a bit s...As always, a nice find FOFOA. I am however a bit sceptic about the notion that the financial world is full of incompetent, complacent people and investors. It is a bit naive. Such should not be concluded from singular examples given, just like the woman from the post. I do think that there are those that do the vicious math of ever-increasing (fictional) returns, invest and know pretty well what Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com