Saturday, October 12, 2013

"Special" Drawing Rights

One of you asked me the other day about a couple of SDR theories floating around right now that you thought might somehow be a threat to Freegold. I thought I'd share my email response with everyone:

My basic approach to the SDR is, who cares? It doesn't matter. It would be worse than irrelevant to Freegold, it would be superfluous. It's just marginal speculation by people who haven't thought things all the way through. First of all, the SDR is only a unit of account, by design. If they make it into something else, then it's no longer a true SDR. It's something else. Might as well call it a bancor or whatever. If you hold an SDR, you hold drawing rights to a basket of currencies, but the SDR itself is nothing but a unit of account used to calculate how much of any one of the individual currencies in the basket it is worth. If you ask for one of those currencies, they will likely be printed for you by that currency's issuer and his SDR count will increase. Here are a few of my past SDR references:

From Synthesis in 2010:

Freegold is our destination with or without the euro. Even on the outside chance that an SDR or a similar super-sovereign currency is accepted as the new global reserve currency, it would have to contain gold at Freegold valuations in order to be viable, accepted and trusted, in the same vein as Randy's comment about an EMF. So any way you cut it, the future comes to us with really high value gold by today's standards.

From Unambiguous Wealth 2 in 2011:

"Virtual reserve currency" means something—like the SDR—that's primarily a unit of account for the purpose of providing monetary stability. But with the primary and secondary media of exchange becoming separate but symbiotic counterparts, stability will be automatically achieved, and a "commodity-based" super-sovereign unit of account comparing fiat M3 with a centrally managed gold price will be completely superfluous and unnecessary (i.e., as unused as the SDR).


The point is, there's a turn-key problem-solving system waiting in the wings. So whenever you hear anyone in the hard money camp or the Anglo-American press talking about something that sounds like the SDR with "gold backing" (watch out for that word "backing") don't buy it for a second. They simply don't have the full picture and, therefore, don't know what they're talking about when it comes to macro solutions. But even so, they're still right when they recommend that you get your butt out of that reclining black office chair and take personal responsibility for your wealth.

From Freegold Foundations in 2011:

So, the point about currency is, and mainly for those of you that fret over a NWO currency, or "whatever currency," an Amero or SDR or euro-whatzit... chill TF out! Currency is no big deal. Currency is not the issue that matters here. What matters is what we, as a planet, choose to save.

RS Comment: So often in commentaries of this sort that propose a “solution”, the author is strangely obsessed with the notion of replacing the dollar (as a reserve currency unit) with simply another institutional emission of similar ilk (such as currencies of other nations, SDRs, bancors and whatnot). Their avoidance of any meaningful discussion of the most obvious remedy is almost pathological in the extreme. To be sure, we don’t need to invent any manner of universal reserve currency to fill the role of a unit of account because that role is already served in a fully functional capacity for any given country by its own monetary unit.

What IS desperately needed, however, is a universally respected reserve asset capable of filling our current void with a reliable presence that serves as a store of value. And far from needing to be conjured or created by complex international committees, that asset is already in existence and held in goodly store by central bankers and prudent individuals around the world — it’s known as gold. From amid the ruins of a chaotic financial crisis that was brought about by its own complexity, a degree of sanity will prevail, and gold as a freely floating asset will arise in stature as THE important element of global monetary reserves. The floating aspect is the vital evolutionary improvement over all previous structural monetary failures which tried to use a gold standard at a fixed price (i.e., unit of account) perversely joined to the very elastic money supply of any given country’s banking system.

And from The Return to Honest Money in 2011:

The point is, once "Freegold" (nature's wrath) inflicts itself upon us all, it won't really matter what is chosen/used as the super-sovereign or supra-national currency to lubricate international trade. It could be the euro, the yuan, the SDR, Facebook Credits or even the dollar! Triffin's dilemma will be gone. And you shouldn't worry so much over the transactional currency question, because that will be chosen through the market forces of regression, the network effect and game theory's focal point discovery at the international level.

You also have to understand why the SDR was invented in the first place. Robert Triffin, as in the Triffin dilemma, was actually a proponent of SDRs and helped create them in 1969. They were "paper gold" for the time, because there wasn't enough gold at the fixed price. But once you truly float the price of gold, there is always enough gold. In essence, today's paper gold is similar to the SDR of 1970. There isn't enough gold, so you have a gold proxy to fill the additional demand. But once the price of physical gold floats, the paper proxy becomes redundant, superfluous and ultimately irrelevant.

So, suppose they have a big monetary conference, à la Bretton Woods, and decide to use SDRs. Then you also revalue gold. Whether it's a part of the SDR basket or not, anyone running a surplus, sufficient enough that it requires centralized long term settlement, could then choose between the real thing and the proxy. Proxy gold credits in any form become superfluous for settlement when there's enough of the real thing.

Also, something other than gold will likely be used to temporarily settle short term imbalances. That "something" will be either currency or currency debt. It could be something like the SDR, or it could be the euro, or it could simply be debt or base money in one of the two currencies of the trading partners. But this doesn't supplant the need for true settlement.

There's no such thing as perfect balance in the short run. There's always a little imbalance in trade, and so you need a way to account for that until later when it reverses and goes the other way. There are many ways to do that, as I mentioned above, and the SDR would be one way. But then it comes down to choices at the centralized international level. Do you want your trading partner's currency, debt in your currency, debt in your trading partner's currency, some third party currency like the euro, debt in some third party currency, or debt denominated in SDRs which is a unit of account that takes several currencies into account, administered by an international organization?

Even if everyone agrees to SDRs, that still has nothing to do with Freegold. Because in Freegold, that temporary short-term role that would be played by the SDR is still a role that must be played by something in the symbolic currency realm. And I'm not talking about "Freefiat" here! That's a very different "alternative" theory.

True settlement at the micro level precludes the need for centralized balancing at the macro level. But even individual exporting net-producer savers will carry a currency balance for the short run and, in general, that would create a (much smaller than today) current account imbalance that would need to be temporarily accounted for at the central bank level. That's where SDRs might come into play.

Savers wouldn't hold gold for the short run in Freegold, not because it fluctuates wildly, declining in real purchasing power at times as "Freefiat" predicts, but because the transaction cost of moving between currency and gold will cancel out even perpetual appreciation (similar to the performance of the best of the best collectible physical assets, i.e., stores of value, only available to the super-wealthy today) for a quantifiable period of time. So for anticipated expenses in the short run, currency balances will be the best choice. And currency balances resulting from inter-regional trade will likely be accounted for (not settled) in some form of fiat currency, which could even be the SDR.

The reason for using currency rather than gold at both the micro and macro levels in Freegold is that it is easily and cheaply reversible, because you expect temporary imbalances to be reversed in the short run. There are no transaction, transportation, storage or insurance costs, and the temporary nature of short-term imbalances reduces other well-known risks like currency risk, default and the unknown. Short term imbalances need to be accounted for, not settled. And that's what the SDR is, a unit of account that takes multiple currencies into consideration. It is for accounting, not settlement.

Physical wealth is the only means of settlement, currency is simply for accounting imbalances in the meantime. The problem today is that we perpetually accumulate trade imbalances (on all scales, from the individual to the regional) and call them savings. This exposes the entire system to the obvious risks -- currency risk, default and the unknown.



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Anonymous said...

Marco Polo,
I think the reason no one has offered any real advice on how to bring your spouse up to speed or shatter the illusions that bind her is that there is no real answer. Each person is different and in general people have to be ready to hear. You and you alone are best positioned to figure it out.

FWIW, I think it is key to understand the point made so well by FOFOA, that, throughout history until recent times, real wealth has been understood as only something that is actually physically possessed. Paper and digital statements of "accounts" aren't wealth. You might begin with evidence that bank deposits are no longer safe (Cyprus and expectations of further bail-ins to save the banks), as well as that fact that any other assets not actually in hand but in "street name" held in some custodial account are subject to loss, like in MF Global, due either to the rampant use of rehypothecation, where "your" assets are just pledged by your money manager or broker to borrow money for its own trading purposes, or by holders of deriviatives who have a superpriority under current US bankruptcy law to take the assets.

Once you make the major decision to assume personal control over, and actual possession of, your wealth assets, gold is one of a few logical choices that are available to shrimps. There are no guaranties or sure things, however. Ultimately, we - or at least the shrimps of the world - are subject to the overall economy and world around us. McFly is choosing to buy farmland now so that he can feed his family and begin preparing for what he sees as a coming historical transition based on declining oil and other resources, instead of gambling further on the timing or inevitiability of freegold and the one-time historic windfall it promises. Still, IMO, as nerve-wracking as it is, it is better to assume responsibility and live by one's judgment, then to live in a paper account dreamworld.

See, e.g.,

Good luck.

Indenture said...

'United States Becomes World's Number-One Oil Supplier'

SLK said...


by striking out (3), your picture appears similar to the yellow line chart once posted showing price of gold languishing before the suddenly overnight gap event, and not the orbital launch chart of a the gold rocket.

Sure by design, if you focus on the end points, over this bank holiday overnight event, poof USD can disappear, gold up, everything else stable in EUR. But would it be accepted?

First, there likely to be some inflation accelerating at least before there is any need to pull this off; it wouldn't look convincing without anyway... so i suspect prices in EUR wouldn't be that stable.

Second, on the surface, EUR and USD aren't that different. Eurozone has a lot of sovereign debt too that they too would like to go away. So you would say, after Freegold, Eurozone can say "have a little bit of this gold" and clear the debt. But then USA is supposed to have their largest pile of 8k tonnes too.

So for USD to just say Goodbye one day, it looks a bit too volunteering.

I agree on the physical plane, exchange rates / price ratios will be a lot more constant relatively. But it is hard for me to see a Euro that is intact.

So if Euro is not intact, does that mean, we might have a new Euro that is like a reverse 1:100 split of the old Euro? The posts so far seem to suggest that the current Euro will survive.


Anonymous said...

Courtesy of Jesse's Cafe Americaine, youtube clip of Mario Draghi answering a question why CBs hold gold as a reserve asset.

Motley Fool said...


I for one certainly think the eu would want to repudiate their debts on roughly the same terms as the US. The difference I see is simply that the euro will stabilize quickly.


S P said...

My view might be considered a hybrid of freegold and peak oil doom. I happen to consider them quite compatible.

Freegold is an inevitability, in my opinion. If you have physical gold, hang on to it like life itself. But there will be a time to dishoard, and that world will be very different.

There's just no getting around the fact that either you were rich during these past 30 years or you weren't. If you weren't, well, you probably still got to experience some amazing things. The rich are going to experience heavy losses going forward, because nobody will have any spare money to pay for all the McCrap that the corporations produce.

This is simple logic, it has nothing to do with envy or political ideology. Although I must admit, if I had the choice of being rich in our current world vs freegold "rich" in the world to come, it's hard not to pick the former.

Roacheforque said...

Under the current system, you can be as rich as your credit (debt) rating allows.

This may well be the great opportunity to do what feels so counterintuitive to a saver (while you still can) that is "rack up the debt" at today's low interest (risk) rates.

It's all going to inflate away in dollar terms anyway, and Hell, we may even just save the system a little longer if we all do it.

After FreeGold, the Posers are going to come down a notch I suspect.

DEBT. Get you some.

Grumps LaBastard said...

3.855 T...up 91B from 4 weeks ago

At this rate we'll be at 4T by Thanksgiving.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the Draghi video link, however, you have to take into account that Draghi's scheduled appearances within various "open and transparent" EU structures just gives him more opportunities to talk in public and have human sparring partners. On the other hand Bernank is in much reclusive position and mysterious talk mode. I'd even say Draghi is a smarter piece of a fellon, but that's surely for another debate by the fireplace.

S P> very precise summary of that position, speaking of the rich, as the downward trajectory goes more visible many governments and societies will go pretty nutty in short order, what to expect, e.g. various ad hoc wealth confiscations, solidarity taxation schemes etc., obviously the early shot will be about kicking your competitors over the board first, kind of the epic civil war of the hyperbourgeois, fighting over these various scraps will placate the public for a few months, year or two (more) during the descent

ampmfix said...

Roacheforque, not knowing the FG date, I wouldn't recommend to load up on debt, since the lender can force you to sell your collateral to payback the loan at anytime they want if your collateral goes down in "the market value" they assign to it (read the fine print...). It has happened to me by getting a big loan to buy metals and being forced to sell them to repay the loan when the metals valuation went down.
A hard lesson on leverage and greed I just learned, lost a sizable chunk of my net worth, and can't recover it since I had to dishoard the metal.
FG might delay another 10 years and anything can happen in between... Leverage is always very, very risky...

Grumps LaBastard said...

Dohmen on a Macro Analytics episode pointed out how much shadow banking has been rolling over much of the post 2008 debt in China. The rates are up to 25%, loan sharking is staving credit collapse over there. This can't go on much longer. If the visible leadership wants to stay attached to their heads, the new system might come online soon.

Phat Repat said...

That this is a global issue, is no mystery; and neither should it be a mystery that one group should try to gain leverage over another. That this system will come online soon? Maybe, but I'm starting to lean towards 2015. Soon enough?

The speech by the former French leader dude was nothing but a laughable globalists wet dream. Think that will come to pass? Let me help you with that, N-E-V-E-R

That's just the reality folks. And consider this, IF the US is exporting energy resources, as mentioned in a previous article, what do YOU think we are getting in return for that? Dollars? ;-) Hmmm...

Roacheforque said...

Let your Freegold stack defend your old $IMFS terms.
As far as the link noise, pick your reality ... so many to chose from.

Only Human nature is TRULY predictable.

Happy !

Anonymous said...

The only thing laughable is that silly propaganda piece by some foxnews/daily mail associate, the US is still and will remain energy importer (at this rate of cosnumption), the article was in obfuscation talking about the explosive rate of tight oil/gas sector, not about the entire US market in/out all liquids situation for gods sake! And this very short term boom in tight is collapsing right now anyway.

If regulars of this blog even fall for such a crap, it's kind of telling about other things as well here, sorry.

gull_mann said...

Just hope that TPTB can set Freegold into place before the market resets itself on its own and we have world wide depression and chaos.

Phat Repat said...

The Globalist fantasy has failed, that is the only takeaway from all this. No matter how much the MSM (and their handlers) want otherwise, it's just not possible. It is not a result of malice by any one group or people, it was and always has been, the impossible dream. Cheerio Ol' Chap.

Dr. Boer said...


What you did was not leveraging but--technically speaking--entering into a carry trade: loaning at a low % to buy an asset with a higher %.
Too bad the lender could force you to pay back the loan. I can feel your pain. I guess hypothecating 50% of the value of your house (and using that loan buying some metal) protects more against a falling metal price.
But even then risks remain. Like sudden high interest rates.

Good luck

Woland said...

Highly off topic: Saudi Awabia is VEWY ANGWY

via the NYT: "Saudi Arabia rejects Security Council seat"

"...the gesture reflected S.A.'s simmering annoyance at
the Security Council, where Russia and China have blocked
its efforts to:

(A) pressure President Bashar el Assad to step down, or
(B) install its own terrorists as the new government in
Syria, as opposed to Quatar's terrorists, or the CIA's
after Prince Bandar failed to buy off Russia with an $11
billion weapons deal and a promise not to disrupt the
Sochi Winter Olympics with Chechen terrorists, as well
as the promise that its faction would keep Quatari gas
out of Europe (at least via a Syrian pipeline)

greets, {;<)>>

Roacheforque said...

The natural gas retrofitting for bulk maritime transport sheds a new light on Gazprom ... and Syria

ampmfix said...

DrBoer, interest rates are not the only problem. My mortgage says that if the housing prices go down in market value beyond x% (far away but possible in a deflationary collapse), the bank can force me to reimburse the loan immediately, hence I loose the house + some more.

ampmfix said...

And yes, good luck to all, it seems the safest thing is just stack and wait (actually I should say "forget about it and go about living your life", since waiting has that desperation ring to it).

KnallGold said...
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KnallGold said...

Ok I can see from where the globalist carbon (doom) ideology is popping up again...not that it has anything to do with Gold, but wait a minute, has it anything to do with downplaying oil(future) outright, facing a new oil trading currency competitor??? Again, the $ reserve question.

Carbon Bubble, lol! We are all carbon! LIFE is carbon! Life is a carbon cycle. Asche zu Asche...

Pardon, gotta let off a "brisk personal carbon bubble" now...

Onward, one of the more interesting procedures (out of 1000's...) to make hydrocarbons of good quality is with algae, saw a documentary recently. You know how good the stuff grows...if it can't be mined, it must be grown.

On the economic front, if the no taper was FOFOA's 1:0, I would says this week he increased to 2:0. He had a graph somewhere like the one below comparing the tiny budget reductions with the debt berg. The path is clear...

And again, no follow through on the 50$ POG pop.

But I agree, lets follow M and enjoy life! "Go Outside" is an instant feel good song by Cults, haven't heard them before but instantly fell in love. Bad grammar sometimes lead to new discoveries if you can follow :-)

Grumps LaBastard said...

Debt to the Penny site still has 10-16-13 as last data point available.

Biju said...

ampmfix said..
My mortgage says that if the housing prices go down in market value beyond x% (far away but possible in a deflationary collapse), the bank can force me to reimburse the loan immediately, hence I loose the house + some more.

Wow, where is this ? in UK ?
I have not heard a loan contingency like this. Even in poor countries with 10% interest rate, so long as loans are performing(ie you making monthly payment), Bankers are OK, they will not take your home even if value of their collateral(house) went down

same in USA, where we are lucky to get the 30 year fixed home loan for 4.2% and no one can take your home unless you default on loan.

Franco said...

"in USA, where we are lucky to get the 30 year fixed home loan for 4.2% and no one can take your home unless you default on loan."


I'm not so sure that things are as black-and-white as you describe them in the USA. First of all, this lending stuff is state law, so it will vary from one state to the next. Second, I have heard about "calling in" a loan, which is when the lender demands the balance of the principal back. I think this is common in commercial lending, not sure in consumer lending. But I will say this, even if the law says that a bank can only foreclose on your property in the event that you fail to pay the note, it would not surprise in the least if SHTF and banks go to the legislators to request "special provisions".

Biju said...


I hear what you say, but I cannot live in such a fear that laws can be changed anytime. I can live as per current law and hope for the best.

Disclosure : I did buy 2 houses right at the bottom of the housing in 2011 in USA and I did give a heads up here and had a discussion with Costata, MF, ...others. My arguments then was cost of houses have come down in my area in California to $100/sq/ft which included the land(7000 sq.ft) and as per my calculation the cost of building a structure alone came to around $130/sq.ft, plus you have to add in the land cost, permit costs, land development cost etc.. So I told here that buying a house at this price and buying it with a 30 year mortgatge fixed rate was a win-win. Let us see how long this will hold. if rates rise up too high and wages don't follow then house prices can drop, which I consider a remote possibility. so lets hope for the best.

See, I am anyway dabbling in physical plane and not in the monetary plane. So it's all good.

tEON said...

"in USA, where we are lucky to get the 30 year fixed home loan for 4.2% and no one can take your home unless you default on loan."

I wonder if there is some fine-print stipulated there. In a hyperinflation? - they could ask you to pay all loans back in Gold... as they did in Wiemar. Laws can be changed, anyway.

And the gov can take your home any time it feels like it. It's frequently called expropriation.

Totara said...

On the subject of wealth in a time of declining energy, Jeff has made a nice simple Freegold case over here. Well done Jeff.

Anonymous said...

Another take, now from Forbes on the IMF's october report wealth confiscation plans (10%+), link thanks to TSP. Among other ideas they join the "rumor" or "même" about wealth moving to Asia, where one expects the last capitalist safe frontier, supposedly..

"If ever there were a roadmap for prompting massive capital flight and emigration of productive citizens toward capitalism’s nascent frontiers in Asia, this is it."

Grumps LaBastard said...

10/16/2013 16,747,360,549,057.23
10/17/2013 17,075,590,107,963.57

328B in one day. How 'bout themz apples.

michael3c2000 said...

Matters for reflection (Miscellaneous links)

Roacheforque said...

On the Forbes piece, I'd say the IMF plan to "sustain debt" is, as I have said befoire, a measure to encourage debt (behavioral modification) by taxing (punishing) savers and subsidizing (rewarding) debtors.

The end result of course is that there will be no savers to save the debtors, i.e. in the long run (as we all know) unsustainable.

Thus my cheeky comment earlier ... Fine, keep stacking AND racking (stacking gold, racking up debt).
In fact, I can't imagine a better way to crash the system than (as we have discussed here before) cash advanceing up to your credit limit and buying physical (gold, scotch, filet mignon, Porsches).
Yes they can have it ALL back but if you want to sustain debt, by all means let me do my part, and by the way here's an ounce, that ought to cover it all.
In the end, now that we're talking about confiscation and expropriation anyway, why not enjoy the folly before the shit spaltters--the end game here is looking pretty dim either way.

Roacheforque said...

But from the higher view, these observations are all merely the result of market manipulation (as in the IMF or any other centrally planned market control) by a "group" vs, the (sigh) bleak and distant memory of market's that were free through the unfettered activity of the superorganism.

The former will always fail, whereas the latter, we hope, will rise from the ashes through Freegold.

michael3c2000 said...

New Cliff High "wujo" report I'm finishing, really interesting second half especially:
E63 - October 10, 2013 slang, kosher air, ARD, Tavistock, CFR, Yurts, Laboratory, ULLE, ALTA report, software

Michael dV said...

what is that? I couldn't begin to figure out where to start with the 'wujo'. Is there some kind of secret handshake one must use to get translation?

ampmfix said...

Biju, the country is Spain. Mortage from a Dutch bank, very low variable rate under 2%, but in Spain. What could you expect from a country in which if you default on your mortgage you are liable with all your past, present and FUTURE wealth?!?!

A country where it is difficult to get thrown in jail (people laugh at the IRS instead of fearing it) and even if you do they are very comfortable as I showed previously, like 3 star hotels, BUT you are screwed royally in many other ways.

A country where, and this has to be one of the most stupid, idiotic laws I ever heard about, you can drive a type of very small car (motorcycle engine) without a license!!! (so you are excused to know the traffic signs even though you drive side by side with regular cars!?!?!) this alone is enough to burn your passport and then spit on it...

The last stroke of genius from our Industry Ministry is to tax the electricity made from solar panels. Ahhh the French revolution, what a nostalgia to see some heads really rolling, anyway, you gotta live somewhere...

byiamBYoung said...


About the motorcycles, here in North Carolina, USA, scooters with less than (I'm guessing to remember) 50cc engine do not require a license. They cause all kinds of havoc on the road, as cars try to get around them (top speed 35 MPH).

Are you saying you must pay a tax on power generated by YOUR solar panels on YOUR roof?



Biju said...
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Biju said...


I feel for you that you had to go through this. First time, I am hearing that if you default on a loan, your loans are called by the lenders, even though it has different collateral.

Here in USA, lenders don't have such power. I know people who bought a second home and then defaulted on the current residence, since it's value have gone below the loan amount. I think these are allowed only because we are in USD bloc countries unlike EURO countries. EURO is a good currency, but then borrowers are at the lenders mercy.

That taxation on self generated solar power is a crazy. No wonder people long for a la french revolution, but if one asks people who lived through such times, they would surely not have such an high opinion about those times post revolution.

Biju said...

ampmfix : every country has their flaws and beauty, just my opinion. so we take the good with the bad.

ampmfix said...

BY, kind of, for the moment, you are only taxed if your system is also connected to the grid, if you are totally disconnected from the grid, no, but that is only a minuscule number of non-urban housing.

Biju, it is a shame for many people unable to front the mortgage end up on the streets.

As for the revolution, it was only a rant, but certainly a tougher judicial on the bankers, JUDGES and politicians is called for over here (the law is not made for them, as it is common in many places). I know about the good and bad of places that is why I live here after all! ;0)

Cheers guys, the weekend is here!

DP said...

Do you pay tax on all of the solar generated, or just on the net income from selling into the grid?

ampmfix said...

Hi DP, we pay a % of ALL power generated, even if you sell 0 to the grid. The "logic" behind that is that by being connected to the grid you "would benefit of the infrastructure if you sold into it", pure and total preposterous rubbish!

DP said...


Beer Holiday said...

If regulars of this blog even fall for such a crap, it's kind of telling about other things as well here, sorry.

That's a strange assertion... BTW you're the most regular poster here! You posted 29 of the the last 245 comments - that's ~ 12%

Including posts which I find offensive like

Hm, perhaps they are in stage, well finally we kicked the "round eye" from the table

If you can manage to offend the likes of myself and Phat Expat - it reckon you can offend anyone.

Beer Holiday said...

Edit: Above is @ Mcmagicfly

tEON said...

12% eh? Yeah - I thought his full time job was supposed to be farming not spewing stream-of-consciousness rubbish on a forum blog unrelated to the topic above each post he makes.

Personally I use Outlook rules - 'Tool' 'Rules and Alerts', 'New Rule', 'Move message from Mcmagicfly' to 'Deleted'.

If I surf to the Forum I have to scroll past his nonsense. I wonder if I can sue him if I get carpal-tunnel?

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Beer Holiday said...

Thanks Gary, I agree 100%.

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